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Re: [Accessibility] Updating the accessibility statement

From: Sina Bahram
Subject: Re: [Accessibility] Updating the accessibility statement
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 20:25:06 -0500

Sorry, and I don’t mean this to sound pointed, but what is the evidence that FSF hasn’t lost steam on accessibility?


Not wanting to be pessimistic or dismissive of efforts, especially those I may not know about.


Just asking a factual question.


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From: Accessibility <accessibility-bounces+sina=address@hidden> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 8:20 PM
To: Michael P. Gorse <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [Accessibility] Updating the accessibility statement


I’m so glad my post, hurriedly written as it was, has prompted such discussion. I do not know how we can get the accessibility statement updated, as any technical blind people who come across it will see the FSF as having cared years ago, but having lost steam on accessibility. I think that presentation matters, especially in documentation, keeping it all up to date. For example, and I should contact them about this, the Fedora documentation starting with the linked node, talks of hardware speech synthesis, of which the  Assistive Technology department I work for only has a Triple Talk USB without a serial cable, nor a serial to USB converter, to use with Emacspeak. What blind person, who would perceive this as very old software, would use it?


I am, however, eager to learn of what the KDE folks have been doing over the past year since the blog post I linked to in my email which started the thread. I don’t know any Linux distribution whose aim for accessibility is to make their desktop a joy to use. That sounds like a foreign goal to Linux distributions, but it sounds like music to my ears. I’d give much for an operating system which is not only productive, but a joy to use!

On Jan 21, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Michael P. Gorse <address@hidden> wrote:


Another thing that might be worth pointing out is that gtk 4 will be an
API break and will be installable in parallel with gtk 3. Over time,
applications will likely be ported to gtk 4. Hopefully I'll know more
after the hackfest.

As far as the GNOME settings dialogue goes, do you know whether there's an
open issue for it on

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020, Dave Hunt wrote:

Michael,  I'm glad you are able to attend the upcoming hackfest, and hope that, with the Hypra folks, We can move forward. 

My friends' concern is that the major distributors of GNU/Linux will abandon GTK 3, in favor of GTK 4, before there is accessibility, thus, leaving us stranded.  On first hearing this news, I put Windows 10 onto one of my machines and
began exploring its accessibility. However, Slint GNU/Linux remains on my other machine, I still send a little to the FSF every month, and plan to run or assist with an installfest at Libreplanet this year. 


Dave  H.

On 1/21/20 4:11 PM, Michael P. Gorse wrote:

There is a gtk hackfest the week
after next where accessibility will be discussed. I will be there for part
of it, as will several people from Hypra, so I hope that we'll be able to
come to an agreement as to how to move forward.

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