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Re: Intermediate Summary: Re: website redesign proposal

From: Gregory Casamento
Subject: Re: Intermediate Summary: Re: website redesign proposal
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 19:53:51 -0500


They may be crap to you, but they are in common usage and this deserve our support.  The attitude you display towards them is at once non-productive and not conducive to attracting developers.  They are your opinions, not facts. 

You forget when you say things such as the forgoing that the entire point of a programming languages is to build programs as effectively and efficiently as possible.  Calling developers lazy because the want to use ARC or other features of objc 2.0 is like calling C programmers lazy because they don't want to use assembler.   O_o

To the point Ivan was discussing objc 2.0 is the most recognized name which we can use, but it's important to remember to say "the objective c 2.0 language" since "objective-c" itself is trademarked. :/


On Saturday, January 11, 2014, Riccardo Mottola wrote:

Ivan Vučica wrote:
I definitely wouldn't go with anything like Objective-C+ARC since I, for
one, don't think ARC is nearly as an important addition to the language as
@synthesize. And five years from now, any arguments against naming it
relative to Objective-C 2.0 will stand against naming it Objective-C+ARC or
well, I think it is poinlessin arguing in what is more important and what not.
To me, they are all crap. The new language additions are dirty, have a terrible syntax and are appeal to lazy programmers.
ARC instead is more a "taste". It is a new addition in the GC discussion. I personally prefer ref-counting.

The point for me is making a clear statement about which runtime you can use and which features you get, so that somebody porting Apple code knows how much is supported, which features he can use with which compiler mix, to estimate, for example, the porting effort.

This can't be written in stone. You don't know what Apple will invent to appeal its lazy iOS developers in the future, if and what Objective-C 2.1 or 3.0 will be. Workstations aren't relevant anyway today...


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