Re: [gpsd-dev] Baud barf problem on Pi3 SOLVED

[Bernd Zeimetz]

On 05/03/2016 08:31 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote:
> Yo Bernd!
> 
> On Tue, 3 May 2016 20:01:12 +0200
> Bernd Zeimetz <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
>> So far you did not even say which problem you have with systemd.
> 
> I will admit one major problem with systemd is lack of user education,
> so partly the users fault, and partly the fault of bad documentation.

Oh, I think there is no project better documented than systemd.
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
Even gpsd lacks documentation compared to systemd.


> The main gpsd related symptom I see of this is that when people try to
> experiment with systemd they find it difficult, maybe impossible, to get
> systemd to stop trying to manage the gpsd daemon, and the gpsd port.
> 
> Coupled with no clear feedback to clue the user into why his attempts
> are being siliently thwarted.
> 
> Noting the problems other have with it, I have avoided systemd.  It is
> clearly not ready for prime time.

I think the main problem is that people fail to read the documentation
and do not want to learn new things. If you want to work with systemd
and want to debug issues, you have to understand it first. And systemd
is something you will not understand by reading some random shellscripts.

> <rant>
> At a higher level, systemd looks to me like software designed by newbies.
> 
> They fail to know, much less understand, the corners of the complex
> problems they are trying to solve, then come up with inflexible
> solutions, user hostile solutions, that work for the mainstream user
> that never tweaks his distro.  Being inflexible they violate core
> UNIX priciples and make customization impossible.

Oh well, I think YOU also never read the documentation.
So far I did not find a single I was not able to handle with systemd.
Actually it is much more flexible than sysvinit or other init systems.
The major pain at the moment is that too many programs are still stuck
with sysv init scripts.

You might want to read
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html - it sounds a
bit  like a blog post to play bullshit bingo with, but Lennart is
actually right.

> I can see why for support reasons Ubuntu wants to inflict inflexibility
> on its users, but any hacker will feel trappped.
> 
> Newbies gotta start somewhere, but not in the init system.

Lennart is definitely not a newbie. He might have strong opions about
how things need to be done, but he is creating and/or contributing to
open-source-projects for years.

https://codesearch.debian.net/results/poettering/page_0


> </rant>



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