Re: Helping new contributors

[Tobias Platen]

On Fri, 2021-04-09 at 09:04 -0400, Suushi via libreplanet-discuss
wrote:

I have never used Discord, but you can use Jami as a replacement.

> > > > By doing this ourselves, as advocates of free software, we can
> > > > include links to why free software methologies are better, even
> > > > if
> > > > we have to be a little flexible in what we use for support and
> > > > communication, Discourse my not be ideal, but would we rather
> > > > people
> > > > used facebook or discord?
> > > 
> > > Of course not Facebook. It is very easy to establish XMPP chat,
> > > it can
> > > be on the website or by using various applications, it will work
> > > from
> > > any device. There are other free software communication packages.
> > > 
> > > > My support group is about respecting privacy /user freedom as
> > > > much
> > > > as possible.
> > > 
> > > In that case how can you use Facebook as a tool? Do you know that
> > > FB
> > > data has been leaked for 522 millions?
> > 
> > I am saying i am not going to use facebook hence I want to use 
> > discourse, irc, etc,   My point is, that while discourse may not be
> > 100 
> > percent free software  it s better than facebook.
> > > https://hyperscope.link/3/6/8/5/8/Direct-download-of-533M-Facebook-users-phone-numbers-and-personal-data-have-been-leaked-online-36858.html
> 
> Are you kidding? Facebook is obviously evil, but discord is a nonfree
> spyware program that you pretty much *need* to install on your
> computer
> in order to utilize it's full functionality. That means you must
> leave
> it running in the background in order to get notifications, see
> messages and receive calls while you're going about your daily
> business
> on the computer, and it is basically this black box that is just
> sitting there listening and recording the processes running on your
> machine. It is made and used by scoundrels and anything you say on
> there, text or voice, you ought to assume to be logged and recorded.
> It is very much still social media, with all the negative aspects of
> facebook and others intact. It ropes in young people and gets them
> addicted to the dopamine from the social stimulation and it's hard to
> detach from it once all your 'net friends are on there (speaking from
> experience). They may use "gamer speak" or whatever in their program
> or
> their twitter for PR, but don't let it fool you, discord is not your
> friend and friends don't let friends use discord.
> 
> I would suggest you refer to this article, it covers some of the
> things
> I have mentioned. https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html
> 
> Why should we or anyone concede to the enemy and compromise our
> principles to use something awful like discord for the sake of
> short-term convenience? That is a terrible quagmire to get stuck in
> --
> not only are you sacrificing your own freedom and privacy for
> immediate
> convenience, but you are coercing others into doing the same, and it
> is
> possible that you or those other people become addicted to the
> dopamine
> rush from other "servers" on discord!
> 
> Why not just start a channel on freenode? It's trivial to do so and
> have people unfamiliar with IRC connect using a web-based client,
> once
> they are more comfortable with the protocol they can install a real
> client. It's sort of a n00b filter as well -- IRC may look
> intimidating
> (to some people) at first, but isn't anything difficult once you get
> used to it.
> 
> If you absolutely *must* have voice communications for some reason,
> there is always mumble.
> 
> It's easy to tell which software projects are worth taking seriously,
> just look at whether they use IRC or discord.
>