Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars

[Philip K.]

Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

> Only small subset of users answered the survey. Emacs is used by much larger 
> number of people. One can see that survey says that users who did answer the 
> survey are on level higher.
>
> If you disable the toolbar you are doing it for those who answered the 
> survey, not for those coming to Emacs, larger number of users. 
>
> If I rememberv well survey also shows that large number of users use
> it since shorter time like one year meaning that larger number of
> users drop in the first year. Finding that cause and improving there
> would keep those users.

I guess it would be interesting to also find out what the connection is
between newer users and toolbar usage. I personally think that the
menu-bar is more than enough (though also not necessary), and that the
toolbar is inefficient, and even if it were, it's underutilized.

People who use the TUI mode or "distributions" also usually don't have
to disable it, so that might also be a factor that has to be considered.

> On December 15, 2020 5:30:20 AM UTC, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
>>In that mega thread about modernising Emacs, there was a lot of talk
>>about getting more data about how people use Emacs, and then...  do
>>something accordingly.
>>
>>Behold: https://emacssurvey.org/2020/
>>
>>So here's the first thread about actionable takeaways from the survey.
>>(Consider all arguments about the survey not being representative as
>>having been made already.)
>>
>>Of 7.3K respondents, 5K disable toolbars, which is more than two
>>thirds.  So perhaps toolbars should default to off?  I know toolbars
>>were all the rage in the 90s, but that's apparently not the case now.
>>
>>Opinions?
>
>
> Jean
>
>

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        Philip K.