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Re: Support RMS
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Danny Spitzberg |
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Re: Support RMS |
Date: |
Fri, 26 Mar 2021 10:03:11 -0700 |
Confirmation bias is a heck of a drug. It feels good feel right- to
draw conclusions, accept only supporting evidence, and reject
everything else. Fo a year now it seems people want to frame everything
as a matter of “character assassination” — and that is why the line
Aaron quoted again about decades of bad conduct and dysfunction is so
important. FSF created a union to protect staff against the whims and
wills of RMS, like if he suddenly decided to take away health insurance
for everyone. But while confirmation bias feels good, it feels even
better to build a free software movement with peers who believe it’s
more than one person.
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 9:54 AM Aaron Wolf <[1]wolftune@riseup.net>
wrote:
The reason I bothered speaking up here is because there is a trend
toward dismissiveness. Seek ways to lump the critics in with the bad
actors. Reject an analogy because it's not equivalent.
Those are the methods by which we *avoid* learning all we can learn.
If our goal is indeed to gain all the perspectives we can to be as
wise
as possible, we must start with the presumption that there *is*
something to learn. Presume that the critics have some insight
*even* if
they are guilty of some other unfair statements. Presume that an
analogy
has some insight even if it's not actually equivalent.
To learn, we can say, "*how* is this critique true?" and "what about
this analogy is *true*?"
To avoid learning, we can say "what aspects of the critic can we use
to
dismiss them?" and "in what ways is the analogy wrong?"
A good mental model: fill in the blank: "I would accept your
feedback if
_____" (maybe, if you were an expert, or if it were presented
without
some unfair attack, or if you have personal experience, or if you've
been part of the community long enough" etc etc)
Next, recognize that every one of those filters is an *obstacle* to
an
open mind. I'm not saying we should be so open-minded that our
brains
fall out. But we can be conscious of our filters. Every
feedback-filter
is a closed door. It's possible to get to say, "I will truly listen
to
and consider any feedback in any form from anyone and any time", but
I'm
not saying that's right for us or for anyone in particular. I'm just
saying to *notice* our filters.
Don't just look for the flaws. Ask: how is the Snowden analogy
*useful*?
On 2021-03-26 9:40 a.m., Yuchen Pei wrote:
> I agree with you we should take feedback seriously, however:
>
>> Georgia's line is exceptionally important: "…the fact that he
faced
>> consequences for his creepy Epdtein-adjacent comments and not the
>> decades of shitty behavior…"
>>
>> These are not people who are dogpiling on hearsay or gotcha
online
>> statements or whatever else. Those anti-patterns do indeed
happen, and
>> they polluted and harmed the credibility of the recent open
letter
>> against RMS. But here we have people who fully understand the
unfairness
>> and yet can express from extensive personal experience the
*actual*
>> reasons why RMS's leadership is problematic.
>
> In the same Twitter thread, she also told people that she signed
the
> "open letter", which is based on hearsay and gotcha online
statements.
>
>>
>> As someone who deeply and profoundly respects RMS for various
reasons, I
>> still don't just simply support his leadership role. I do not
want him
>> banished, I want him to learn and do better on his pain points. I
don't
>> want to be naive though, efforts in this direction have obviously
been
>> done for years and not been enough.
>>
>> I would like to continue to get RMS' insightful and pointed
perspectives
>> without having him lead the organization. I would like him to
live in
>> the zone where his genius most thrives and he contributes the
most, and
>> I suggest that the other roles he has had would be better filled
by
>> others.
>
> If we do not take a stand against character assassination, we may
lose
> the organisation and RMS's ability to provide insightful and
pointed
> perspectives.
>
>>
>> If we want a resilient movement, we need to be really open to
engaging
>> with complaints. An organization that defends the status quo
against
>> such critics is like the NSA attacking Ed Snowden and people
insinuating
>> that Snowden is working for Russia (similar to people talking
about how
>> Deb now works for the OSI and the OSI is connected to
corporations).
>>
>> I'm not suggesting deference to the outside unfair critics, the
people
>> who do indeed levy unfair attacks, mine quotes, spread FUD, etc.
That
>> stuff can be real, and we need to defend against it.
>>
>> But people like Deb are our whistleblowers, they are insiders who
are
>> bringing attention to serious issues. If we ignore or attack
>> whistleblowers, we will fail to learn important lessons. This
attitude
>> can be fatal to a movement.
>
> This is a terrible analogy. Ed Snowden was risking his life
spearheading
> a fight against a powerful government body, but accusing a person
from a
> safe distance while that person is being attacked in all
directions is a
> different matter.
>
>>
>> In solidarity,
>> Aaron Wolf
>> (FSF member since 2014, co-founder of Snowdrift.coop)
>>
>
> Again, I agree that we need all perspectives and we should value
all
> feedback, including those from Deb and Georgia that are not based
on
> falsehood. But I also don't think it is helpful to raise concerns
about
> someone who is besieged.
>
>>
>>
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- Re: Support RMS, (continued)
- Re: Support RMS, Danny Spitzberg, 2021/03/26
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- Re: Support RMS, Jean Louis, 2021/03/27
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- Re: Support RMS, Yuchen Pei, 2021/03/26
- Re: Support RMS, Aaron Wolf, 2021/03/26
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