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Re: Bootstrapping

From: Luke A. Kanies
Subject: Re: Bootstrapping
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:24:11 -0600 (CST)

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, John Sechrest wrote:

> Nate Campi <address@hidden> writes:
>  % A surprising amount of configuration could be shared across sites,
>  % enabling networks to get up quickly, and run better. Consultants could
>  % come into networks they've never been on before, but quickly solve
>  % problems and roll out new services, since he/she already understands the
>  % cfengine setup.
>  Yes, but to do this, the cfengine community needs to start abstracting
>  the (global practices) from the (local issues).

That's a really good idea, but I'm not totally convinced this will be very
easy with cfengine.  Mark and I have had long discussions about this, but
my opinion has not changed:  It is very difficult to use cfengine for
abstraction, which means it's very difficult to create
location-independent cfengine configurations.

>  % This is what I'd want the community-contributed cfengine configs to come
>  % from - actual use, practices proven on real networks. It would need to
>  % be it's own project, with active contributers. I plan on starting it on
>  % my own, then seeing if people want to join in once I have something
>  % working to get at least a small network up from scratch. It would
>  % probably need to be a custom debian distro on a CD, to bootstrap the
>  % whole process from a gold server.
>  This brings up many questions for me...
>  A) Why would this not work as a component of the CFengine work that
>     is already going on?

Because it's essentially separate from cfengine itself.  It's a lot more
than just cfengine.

>  B) Why would it need to be a seperate project?

Because it involves about 15 other packages and all of their

>  C) Do you care that there already is an ongoing project working
>     on the same issue? (We got our sourceforge project approved recently)

Heh. :)  When it rains it pours.

I'm certainly willing to work with others, and I bet Nate is also.


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