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Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users
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Joost Kremers |
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Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users |
Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 2021 10:58:17 +0100 |
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mu4e 1.5.8; emacs 27.1.90 |
On Fri, Feb 12 2021, Gregory Heytings wrote:
>>> A meta key alone wouldn't be an appealing solution for third-party
>>> developers, it must either a control key alone, or a control key and
>>> its corresponding meta key.
>>
>> I don't see why. What wrong with just a meta key? On modern keyboards
>> the Alt and Ctrl keys are usually the same size.
>
> It's of course not a matter of key size. In Emacs key bindings, control
> ones are "primary", and meta ones are "secondary". You open, save, quit,
> move, search, ... with control keybindings, in fact you can use Emacs
> without ever using meta keys. The opposite isn't true. Relegating
> third-party libraries on a secondary key binding can't be an appealing
> solution.
That's a strange argument to make. Meta keys are as integral to Emacs as control
keys. The existence of such pairs as C-f / M-f, C-b / M-b or C-t / M-t etc.
makes
that clear. Sure you can use Emacs without ever using meta keys, but it would be
damned inconvenient. I mean, you could say the same about the control key:
just use the mouse menu and cursor keys and you'll be able to get a lot done.
Of course, I see your point that the control key is more or less the
prototypical modifier key, but why should that mean that reserving a meta key
for external packages would be unappealing? (Plus, on Macs, the prototypical
modifier key seems to be command, not control.)
--
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, (continued)
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Gregory Heytings, 2021/02/10
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Jean Louis, 2021/02/10
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Gregory Heytings, 2021/02/10
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Robert Thorpe, 2021/02/11
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Gregory Heytings, 2021/02/11
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Robert Thorpe, 2021/02/12
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Gregory Heytings, 2021/02/12
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users,
Joost Kremers <=
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Dmitry Gutov, 2021/02/12
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Gregory Heytings, 2021/02/12
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Howard Melman, 2021/02/12
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Jean Louis, 2021/02/12
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Howard Melman, 2021/02/12
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, ken, 2021/02/16
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Emanuel Berg, 2021/02/12
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Jean Louis, 2021/02/13
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Emanuel Berg, 2021/02/13
- Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users, Jean Louis, 2021/02/13