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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward
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D. Joe Anderson |
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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward |
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Wed, 25 Sep 2019 11:59:51 +0000 |
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On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:01:42PM -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:08 AM Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
> <paulo@phls.com.br> wrote:
>
> Hi Deb,
> On 24/09/2019 10:13, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> > It also brought to the center of the conversation, many of the other
> > times that women have been belittled, written off or subjected to
> > harassment here in free software.
> I have read a lot of people celebrating Stallman resignation.
> My feeling is the "Epstein-Minsky-MIT" debate was, as we say in
> portuguese "a gota d'água" (something like "last drop of water in the
> bucket"). And a lot of people from free software community decided not
> deal with this kind of behavior anymore.
> Am I right?
>
> That's definitely what I think is happening.
I think so too. Some common ways of describing this sort of thing in English
that come to mind are "watershed moment," "tipping point," and one I've
encountered several times about this situation already "the straw that broke
the camel's back" often just "the last straw".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_point
thinking back to my high school science classes, I often think of these sorts
of moments as a "phase change" too.
also ...
> It's confusing that the poorly written piece basically went viral, but
> there's been a pattern
> of problematic behavior. You (and others) may find this piece
> interesting,
>
> https://medium.com/@thomas.bushnell/a-reflection-on-the-departure-of-rms-18e6a835fd84
Yes, I did find that a better take than so much of the poorly-done reporting.
Thanks for bringing it to these discussions
As for articles, another I've found unstinting even while maintaining some
sympathy, has been
https://www.wired.com/story/richard-stallman-and-the-fall-of-the-clueless-nerd/
Levy establishes his bona fides early in the piece, for those unfamiliar with
his work and with his connection to hacker history.
For those who *are* more familiar with his work, but haven't seen this link yet
http://opentranscripts.org/transcript/programming-forgetting-new-hacker-ethic/
please consider it. It's been making the rounds beyond the confines of this
mailing list. It's one of the things I've found it helpful in improving and
broadening my own understanding of the ethical challenges we face with regard
to inclusion in the free software movement.
There are, as has been noted, many other resources out there for those with a
good-faith interest in understanding better what has brought us to this point
and how we might (as the Subject: indicates!) move forward in a way that makes
the quest for "user freedom" include all users.
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, (continued)
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, Thomas Lord, 2019/09/23
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, Deb Nicholson, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, 'smee, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, Deb Nicholson, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, 'smee, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, Deb Nicholson, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, 'smee, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, MARY-ANNE WOLF, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, Deb Nicholson, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward,
D. Joe Anderson <=
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, Adrienne G. Thompson, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] “I don't answer questions from women”, Dmitry Alexandrov, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] “I don't answer questions from women”, A. Mani, 2019/09/24
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] “I don't answer questions from women”, Aaron Wolf, 2019/09/25
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] “I don't answer questions from women”, Dmitry Alexandrov, 2019/09/25
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] “I don't answer questions from women”, A. Mani, 2019/09/25
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] “I don't answer questions from women”, Federico Leva (Nemo), 2019/09/25
- Re: [libreplanet-discuss] “I don't answer questions from women”, A. Mani, 2019/09/25
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward, Félicien Pillot, 2019/09/24