Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > Hello Richard -
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations,
> > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click gives
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > context
> > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size), but
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > are no
> > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > >
> > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on.
> > > > > Right-
> > > > > click
> > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the (Help
> > > > > for
> > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if you
> > > > > are
> > > > > on an
> > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive menu
> > > > > for
> > > > > tweaking.
> > > >
> > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas
> > > > Schneider's
> > > > .deb
> > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from the
> > > > Debian
> > > > repository
> > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's Bullseye
> > > > .deb
> > > > packages.
> > > >
> > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described, but that
> > > > is
> > > > the only
> > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not get the
> > > > context
> > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > > >
> > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-clicking on
> > > > a
> > > > note.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue
> > > > > square on
> > > > > the
> > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context sensitive
> > > > > menu,
> > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you can play
> > > > > from
> > > > > that
> > > > > menu anyway.
> > > >
> > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context sensitive menu
> > > > is
> > > > not
> > > > available.
> > > > >
> > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian Stretch, it's
> > > > only with
> > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > >
> > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > >
> > > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back from the
> > > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > >
> > > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click on a
> > > note
> > > in the Print View?
> > > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting Scheme: ...)
> > > appear?
> > > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting textedit://
> > > ...)
> > > appear? (see attached)
> > >
> > > what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme window
> > > execute
> > >
> > > (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> > >
> > > to get that.
> > >
> > > If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp that is
> > > specified in the link and look at the line and column number
> > > indicated
> > > to see if it is the right place (send the file and link text if you
> > > don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that those
> > > searching
> > > the mailing list archives can follow the thread.
> >
> > Hello, I think I have the same problem in Denemo 2.5.3 installed from
> > source using Lilypond 2.22. I'm using it on Lubuntu 20.04 running in
> > VirtualBox on a Mac.
> > If it helps, here's my results.
> > 1) No output, but after adding any note in Denemo, the terminal shows
> > 'Denemo - WARNING : Lilypond did not end successfully: Child process
> > exited with code 1
> > Running lilypondLog level set to 287'. The Print View updates
> > correctly.
> > 2. Yes, the link appears.
> > 3. Yes, I got a link.
> > 4. In the Denemo print view
>
> ??? did you mean in the View->LilyPond view?

No, I meant the position number Denemo print view's link  vs. the
position number that I got by opening the .ly file in the /tmp folder
(opened with Frescobaldi).

>
> >  my first note is at position 10, while
> > when I open the Lilypond file the first note is at position 0, i.e.
> > 21:9:10 in Denemo vs. 21:9:0 in the Lilypond file.
> Thanks for this - could you post the lilypond file? (A file  created
> with
>
> (d-New)
> (d-C)
>
> would be ideal).

See attached the .ly file created as you asked and exported from Denemo.

>
> If I copy and paste the relevant bit of the LilyPond view I get this:
>
> MvmntIVoiceI = {
>          c'4 \AutoEndMovementBarline
> }
>
> where you see 9 spaces appear before the note name c'4
> One of these is actually a special character - an anchor - that appears
> in the LilyPond view as a gray square, the other 8 are inserted by
> Denemo at the start of each measure. This code is unconditional, so
> there should be no way(*) that the first note name in a bar could
> appear in column 0. (TAB characters are avoided in the output because
> they get interpreted differently by different libraries, the result is
> the rather untidy LilyPond syntax that you see in the LilyPond view :(
> ).

Yes, I get the same as you (see attached Denemo_4.png). The difference
in position appeared when I opened the .ly file in Frescobaldi.

>  I attach a screenshot of the same bit of the LilyPond output.
>
> Richard
>
> (*) well, as with most things, there is a way. You *could* attach a
> Denemo Directive inserting a line feed into the LilyPond syntax before
> the note ...

Lilypond_example.ly
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Denemo_4.png
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