Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Lib Lists]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 16:31, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.
> > > > com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations,
> > > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click
> > > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size),
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on.
> > > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the
> > > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > on an
> > > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive
> > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas
> > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from the
> > > > > > Debian
> > > > > > repository
> > > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's
> > > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > packages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described, but
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > the only
> > > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not get
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > context
> > > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-
> > > > > > clicking on
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > note.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue
> > > > > > > square on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context
> > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you can
> > > > > > > play
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context sensitive
> > > > > > menu
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > available.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian Stretch,
> > > > > > it's
> > > > > > only with
> > > > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > > > >
> > > > > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back from
> > > > > the
> > > > > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click on
> > > > > a
> > > > > note
> > > > > in the Print View?
> > > > > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting Scheme:
> > > > > ...)
> > > > > appear?
> > > > > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting textedit://
> > > > > ...)
> > > > > appear? (see attached)
> > > > >
> > > > > what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme window
> > > > > execute
> > > > >
> > > > > (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> > > > >
> > > > > to get that.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp that is
> > > > > specified in the link and look at the line and column number
> > > > > indicated
> > > > > to see if it is the right place (send the file and link text if
> > > > > you
> > > > > don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > > > BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that those
> > > > > searching
> > > > > the mailing list archives can follow the thread.
> > > >
> > > > Hello, I think I have the same problem in Denemo 2.5.3 installed
> > > > from
> > > > source using Lilypond 2.22. I'm using it on Lubuntu 20.04 running
> > > > in
> > > > VirtualBox on a Mac.
> > > > If it helps, here's my results.
> > > > 1) No output, but after adding any note in Denemo, the terminal
> > > > shows
> > > > 'Denemo - WARNING : Lilypond did not end successfully: Child
> > > > process
> > > > exited with code 1
> > > > Running lilypondLog level set to 287'. The Print View updates
> > > > correctly.
> > > > 2. Yes, the link appears.
> > > > 3. Yes, I got a link.
> > > > 4. In the Denemo print view
> > >
> > > ??? did you mean in the View->LilyPond view?
> >
> > No, I meant the position number Denemo print view's link  vs. the
> > position number that I got by opening the .ly file in the /tmp folder
> > (opened with Frescobaldi).
> >
> > >
> > > >  my first note is at position 10, while
> > > > when I open the Lilypond file the first note is at position 0,
> > > > i.e.
> > > > 21:9:10 in Denemo vs. 21:9:0 in the Lilypond file.
> > >
> > > Thanks for this - could you post the lilypond file? (A
> > > file  created
> > > with
> > >
> > > (d-New)
> > > (d-C)
> > >
> > > would be ideal).
> >
> > See attached the .ly file created as you asked and exported from
> > Denemo.
> >
> > >
> > > If I copy and paste the relevant bit of the LilyPond view I get
> > > this:
> > >
> > > MvmntIVoiceI = {
> > >          c'4 \AutoEndMovementBarline
> > > }
> > >
> > > where you see 9 spaces appear before the note name c'4
> > > One of these is actually a special character - an anchor - that
> > > appears
> > > in the LilyPond view as a gray square, the other 8 are inserted by
> > > Denemo at the start of each measure. This code is unconditional, so
> > > there should be no way(*) that the first note name in a bar could
> > > appear in column 0. (TAB characters are avoided in the output
> > > because
> > > they get interpreted differently by different libraries, the result
> > > is
> > > the rather untidy LilyPond syntax that you see in the LilyPond view
> > > :(
> > > ).
> >
> > Yes, I get the same as you (see attached Denemo_4.png). The
> > difference
> > in position appeared when I opened the .ly file in Frescobaldi.
>
> I just opened your Lilypond_example.ly in Frescobaldi version 3.0.0 and
> it gave 9 spaces before the note name. In the attached screenshot I see
> that Frescobaldi describes this as line: 19 col: 9 Pos:0
> I don't know what it means by "Pos: 0" but it is the column number that
> is relevant - were you mislead by that?

Hi, yes, I was mislead by the 'Pos: 0', which I think is related to
the position within a bar (maybe?).

>
> So, it would seem that the correct line/column target is being detected
> by the pdf handling library, so the next question would be "Is the step
> from LilyPond source back to Denemo Display working?". To answer this
> can you add another three C's to the score and the place the Denemo
> cursor in the LilyPond view on line 19 on the last of the C's and then
> use the left-arrow on the keyboard to move back towards the first of
> the C's. As the text cursor in the LilyPond window moves over those
> anchors the position of the Denemo cursor in the Display should shift
> to the respective note. Is this happening? If not is anything being
> reported in the terminal?

Yes, this works as you described: as I move the cursor in the LilyPond
window, the Denemo cursor shifts to the right note. Nothing is
reported in the terminal.

Lib

>
> Richard
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