Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.
> > > com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual Annotations,
> > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-click
> > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size),
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked on.
> > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > click
> > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the
> > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas if
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > on an
> > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context sensitive
> > > > > > menu
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas
> > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > .deb
> > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from the
> > > > > Debian
> > > > > repository
> > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's
> > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > .deb
> > > > > packages.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described, but
> > > > > that
> > > > > is
> > > > > the only
> > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not get
> > > > > the
> > > > > context
> > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-
> > > > > clicking on
> > > > > a
> > > > > note.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object (blue
> > > > > > square on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context
> > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you can
> > > > > > play
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context sensitive
> > > > > menu
> > > > > is
> > > > > not
> > > > > available.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > 
> > > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian Stretch,
> > > > > it's
> > > > > only with
> > > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > > > 
> > > > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back from
> > > > the
> > > > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > > > 
> > > > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click on
> > > > a
> > > > note
> > > > in the Print View?
> > > > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting Scheme:
> > > > ...)
> > > > appear?
> > > > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting textedit://
> > > > ...)
> > > > appear? (see attached)
> > > > 
> > > > what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme window
> > > > execute
> > > > 
> > > > (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> > > > 
> > > > to get that.
> > > > 
> > > > If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp that is
> > > > specified in the link and look at the line and column number
> > > > indicated
> > > > to see if it is the right place (send the file and link text if
> > > > you
> > > > don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
> > > > 
> > > > HTH
> > > > 
> > > > Richard
> > > > BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that those
> > > > searching
> > > > the mailing list archives can follow the thread.
> > > 
> > > Hello, I think I have the same problem in Denemo 2.5.3 installed
> > > from
> > > source using Lilypond 2.22. I'm using it on Lubuntu 20.04 running
> > > in
> > > VirtualBox on a Mac.
> > > If it helps, here's my results.
> > > 1) No output, but after adding any note in Denemo, the terminal
> > > shows
> > > 'Denemo - WARNING : Lilypond did not end successfully: Child
> > > process
> > > exited with code 1
> > > Running lilypondLog level set to 287'. The Print View updates
> > > correctly.
> > > 2. Yes, the link appears.
> > > 3. Yes, I got a link.
> > > 4. In the Denemo print view
> > 
> > ??? did you mean in the View->LilyPond view?
> 
> No, I meant the position number Denemo print view's link  vs. the
> position number that I got by opening the .ly file in the /tmp folder
> (opened with Frescobaldi).
> 
> > 
> > >  my first note is at position 10, while
> > > when I open the Lilypond file the first note is at position 0,
> > > i.e.
> > > 21:9:10 in Denemo vs. 21:9:0 in the Lilypond file.
> > 
> > Thanks for this - could you post the lilypond file? (A
> > file  created
> > with
> > 
> > (d-New)
> > (d-C)
> > 
> > would be ideal).
> 
> See attached the .ly file created as you asked and exported from
> Denemo.
> 
> > 
> > If I copy and paste the relevant bit of the LilyPond view I get
> > this:
> > 
> > MvmntIVoiceI = {
> >          c'4 \AutoEndMovementBarline
> > }
> > 
> > where you see 9 spaces appear before the note name c'4
> > One of these is actually a special character - an anchor - that
> > appears
> > in the LilyPond view as a gray square, the other 8 are inserted by
> > Denemo at the start of each measure. This code is unconditional, so
> > there should be no way(*) that the first note name in a bar could
> > appear in column 0. (TAB characters are avoided in the output
> > because
> > they get interpreted differently by different libraries, the result
> > is
> > the rather untidy LilyPond syntax that you see in the LilyPond view
> > :(
> > ).
> 
> Yes, I get the same as you (see attached Denemo_4.png). The
> difference
> in position appeared when I opened the .ly file in Frescobaldi.

I just opened your Lilypond_example.ly in Frescobaldi version 3.0.0 and
it gave 9 spaces before the note name. In the attached screenshot I see
that Frescobaldi describes this as line: 19 col: 9 Pos:0
I don't know what it means by "Pos: 0" but it is the column number that
is relevant - were you mislead by that?

So, it would seem that the correct line/column target is being detected
by the pdf handling library, so the next question would be "Is the step
from LilyPond source back to Denemo Display working?". To answer this
can you add another three C's to the score and the place the Denemo
cursor in the LilyPond view on line 19 on the last of the C's and then
use the left-arrow on the keyboard to move back towards the first of
the C's. As the text cursor in the LilyPond window moves over those
anchors the position of the Denemo cursor in the Display should shift
to the respective note. Is this happening? If not is anything being
reported in the terminal?

Richard

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