Re: Can not tweak objects in Debian's Version 2.5.0

[Richard Shann]

On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 17:02 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 16:31, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 15:07 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 14:42, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.plus.
> > > com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 13:45 +0300, Lib Lists wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 11:37, Richard Shann <richard@rshann.p
> > > > > lus.
> > > > > com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 15:44 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello Richard -
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021 5:39:06 A.M. ADT you wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 16:47 -0300, Robert Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello -
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > OS:  Linux; Debian Bullseye
> > > > > > > > > Denemo Version:  2.5.0 from the Debian repository
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > In this version I am unable to tweak Textual
> > > > > > > > > Annotations,
> > > > > > > > > Dynamics,
> > > > > > > > > Rehearsal
> > > > > > > > > Numbers, etc. in the Print View window.  A right-
> > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > > > menu (Help for Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score
> > > > > > > > > size),
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > are no
> > > > > > > > > prompts when I left-click
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > left-click starts playback from the object left-clicked 
> > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > Right-
> > > > > > > > click
> > > > > > > > gives you a menu - if you are off any object it is the
> > > > > > > > (Help
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > Tweaks, Red dots and crosses, Score size) menu whereas
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > on an
> > > > > > > > object (hand pointer) it gives you the context
> > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > tweaking.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That is what happened when I was using v. 2.4.0 (Andreas
> > > > > > > Schneider's
> > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > packages) in Debian Stretch, but not with v. 2.5.0 from
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Debian
> > > > > > > repository
> > > > > > > for Bullseye, nor with v. 2.4.3 from Andreas Schneider's
> > > > > > > Bullseye
> > > > > > > .deb
> > > > > > > packages.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Right-clicking does give me the the menu you described,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > the only
> > > > > > > menu I get when clicking on or off an object.  I do not
> > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > context
> > > > > > > sensitive menu for tweaking when I right-click an object.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Also, playing straight away does not happen when left-
> > > > > > > clicking on
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > note.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you have already clicked an object
> > > > > > > > (blue
> > > > > > > > square on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > object) then left-clicking will give you the context
> > > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > menu,
> > > > > > > > rather than just starting playing straight away, you
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > play
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > menu anyway.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The blue square does not appear, and the context
> > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >  on the object when the hand pointer appears.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > so, right not left click.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Everything works as expected in v. 2.4.0 on  Debian
> > > > > > > Stretch,
> > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > only with
> > > > > > > .deb packages for Bullseye that I have this problem.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The symptoms you are describing indicate that working back
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > note in the pdf to the Denemo Display is not working.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1) What is the output on the terminal when you try to click
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > note
> > > > > > in the Print View?
> > > > > > 2) When you hover over a title does a link (starting
> > > > > > Scheme:
> > > > > > ...)
> > > > > > appear?
> > > > > > 3) When you hover over a note does a link (starting
> > > > > > textedit://
> > > > > > ...)
> > > > > > appear? (see attached)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > what version of LilyPond are you using? (In the Scheme
> > > > > > window
> > > > > > execute
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (d-InfoDialog (d-GetLilyVersion))
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > to get that.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If the link appears in (3) above, open the file in /tmp
> > > > > > that is
> > > > > > specified in the link and look at the line and column
> > > > > > number
> > > > > > indicated
> > > > > > to see if it is the right place (send the file and link
> > > > > > text if
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > don't read LilyPond syntax at all).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > BTW please use "Group Reply" or "Reply to All" so that
> > > > > > those
> > > > > > searching
> > > > > > the mailing list archives can follow the thread.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hello, I think I have the same problem in Denemo 2.5.3
> > > > > installed
> > > > > from
> > > > > source using Lilypond 2.22. I'm using it on Lubuntu 20.04
> > > > > running
> > > > > in
> > > > > VirtualBox on a Mac.
> > > > > If it helps, here's my results.
> > > > > 1) No output, but after adding any note in Denemo, the
> > > > > terminal
> > > > > shows
> > > > > 'Denemo - WARNING : Lilypond did not end successfully: Child
> > > > > process
> > > > > exited with code 1
> > > > > Running lilypondLog level set to 287'. The Print View updates
> > > > > correctly.
> > > > > 2. Yes, the link appears.
> > > > > 3. Yes, I got a link.
> > > > > 4. In the Denemo print view
> > > > 
> > > > ??? did you mean in the View->LilyPond view?
> > > 
> > > No, I meant the position number Denemo print view's link  vs. the
> > > position number that I got by opening the .ly file in the /tmp
> > > folder
> > > (opened with Frescobaldi).
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >  my first note is at position 10, while
> > > > > when I open the Lilypond file the first note is at position
> > > > > 0,
> > > > > i.e.
> > > > > 21:9:10 in Denemo vs. 21:9:0 in the Lilypond file.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for this - could you post the lilypond file? (A
> > > > file  created
> > > > with
> > > > 
> > > > (d-New)
> > > > (d-C)
> > > > 
> > > > would be ideal).
> > > 
> > > See attached the .ly file created as you asked and exported from
> > > Denemo.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > If I copy and paste the relevant bit of the LilyPond view I get
> > > > this:
> > > > 
> > > > MvmntIVoiceI = {
> > > >          c'4 \AutoEndMovementBarline
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > where you see 9 spaces appear before the note name c'4
> > > > One of these is actually a special character - an anchor - that
> > > > appears
> > > > in the LilyPond view as a gray square, the other 8 are inserted
> > > > by
> > > > Denemo at the start of each measure. This code is
> > > > unconditional, so
> > > > there should be no way(*) that the first note name in a bar
> > > > could
> > > > appear in column 0. (TAB characters are avoided in the output
> > > > because
> > > > they get interpreted differently by different libraries, the
> > > > result
> > > > is
> > > > the rather untidy LilyPond syntax that you see in the LilyPond
> > > > view
> > > > :(
> > > > ).
> > > 
> > > Yes, I get the same as you (see attached Denemo_4.png). The
> > > difference
> > > in position appeared when I opened the .ly file in Frescobaldi.
> > 
> > I just opened your Lilypond_example.ly in Frescobaldi version 3.0.0
> > and
> > it gave 9 spaces before the note name. In the attached screenshot I
> > see
> > that Frescobaldi describes this as line: 19 col: 9 Pos:0
> > I don't know what it means by "Pos: 0" but it is the column number
> > that
> > is relevant - were you mislead by that?
> 
> Hi, yes, I was mislead by the 'Pos: 0', which I think is related to
> the position within a bar (maybe?).
> 
> > 
> > So, it would seem that the correct line/column target is being
> > detected
> > by the pdf handling library, so the next question would be "Is the
> > step
> > from LilyPond source back to Denemo Display working?". To answer
> > this
> > can you add another three C's to the score and the place the Denemo
> > cursor in the LilyPond view on line 19 on the last of the C's and
> > then
> > use the left-arrow on the keyboard to move back towards the first
> > of
> > the C's. As the text cursor in the LilyPond window moves over those
> > anchors the position of the Denemo cursor in the Display should
> > shift
> > to the respective note. Is this happening? If not is anything being
> > reported in the terminal?
> 
> Yes, this works as you described: as I move the cursor in the
> LilyPond
> window, the Denemo cursor shifts to the right note. Nothing is
> reported in the terminal.

So we have narrowed the problem down to the stage where you right-click 
on a notehead (hand cursor appearing). I missed something important
when I asked what happens when you click on a note-head in the Print
View. I should have said right-click, and also I should have asked what
happens when you left click on a note-head - whether the Denemo score
starts playing. In both right and left click cases the cursor should
move to the appropriate note and in the case of right-click there
should be some debug output on the terminal saying:

Looking at target Note on grob #fwith tag #f ok?

If that doesn't appear then executing this in the Scheme Window will
give a clue.

(d-InfoDialog (format #f "~s" (d-GetTargetInfo)))

At this stage you could press Fn9 to insert a rehearsal mark and then
right click in the Print View on the rehearsal mark that is typeset.
The Denemo Cursor should move to the rehearsal mark object in the
Denemo Display and re-executing that Scheme script should say that it
found the rehearsal mark.

Thank you for your help,

Richard
(Note to myself: the TargetInfo is being set up in the call to
        goto_lilypond_position (gint line, gint column)
in exportlilypond.c)