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noise - [was Support RMS]


From: Miles Fidelman
Subject: noise - [was Support RMS]
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:56:34 -0400
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   Anybody else getting tired about how this kind of crap clutters up, and
   destroys, otherwise useful email lists?
   Doesn't matter whether one is for or against - once someone is accused
   of political incorrect behavior, conversation becomes dominated by
   discussions of list rules, expelling people, free speech, censorship &
   anti-censorship - to the extent that all useful work gets crowded out.
   Mind you, it seems like those who condemn tend to be the most insistent
   & vociferous - provoking folks who see a need to defend either the
   person being attacked, or the general principle of free speech.
   Sigh....
   Miles Fidelman
   Deb Nicholson wrote:

   Well, it's disappointing but not surprising that a call for improving
   the way people are treated within the free software movement is being
   seen by some on this list as "hateful" or somehow in "opposition to
   free software." I honestly don't see how creating a haven for sexist
   behavior and disrespect can lead to the movement's growth, but maybe
   I'm mistaken in thinking that we all want that growth.
   I am grateful to those who are interested in working towards an
   inclusive and non-toxic future for the free software movement. Maybe
   I'll get to work with you all someday on one of the projects that is
   interested in growing the free software movement.
   Best,
   Deb

   On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 5:03 PM Jean Louis [1]<bugs@gnu.support> wrote:

     * Deb Nicholson [2]<[1]deb@eximiousproductions.com> [2021-03-26 16:52]:
     >    An interesting thing about men who harass women is that they
     usually
     >    don't do it to men. Men who let the community know that they
     "don't
     >    believe in harassment" are the last people to find out it's
     happening,
     >    because no one feels safe telling them.
     Generalization without end.
     Why are you sending accusations to this mailing list? How is this
     mailing list to defend your rights? Or is your only purpose to
     divide
     and bring more hate here?

References

   1. [3]mailto:deb@eximiousproductions.com


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References

   1. mailto:bugs@gnu.support
   2. mailto:[1]deb@eximiousproductions.com
   3. mailto:deb@eximiousproductions.com
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