Re:Re:Re: (renamed) Misc mailing list

[Whistler]

   I also don't think this is totally unrelated to free software, or
   asking you/FSF to do anything.  Just a (random) discussion on a problem
   which exists in the world and has negative impact on adoption of free
   software which happens not to be an issue for you.

   At 2022-04-18 11:25:17, "Whistler" <whistler_wmz@163.com> wrote:

   Here (in Beijing) we have been required to scan a QR code with a
   non-free covid 'contact tracing' app if we need to enter _anywhere_
   since 2020, including the residence block of my own home.
   I don't think 'complaining' to any organizations would solve the issue,
   as it's a much bigger issue than free software but free software is an
   important factor.
   btw, I'd say: check your privilege, as you are obviously lucky enough
   NOT affected by these issues which affects many things (not limited to
   software freedom).
At 2022-04-15 05:30:04, "Jean Louis" <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
>* andrew via libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> [2022-04
-14 18:30]:
>> The reason I posted this here are:
>>
>> (1) During the lockdown, we are obligated to use the following nonfree
>>     software:
>
>How are you obligated? Which law, rule or policy is asking you that?
>
>Please provide references if there are any WWW references, so that we
>may complain to those organizations.
>
>>     1. Tencent Meetings for school;
>>     2.  for getting a QR code as a token for mandated COVID tests;
>>        Simply swiping a second-generation citizen ID cart is
>>        "deprecated" for some reason;
>
>I wish I could understand, but QR code is not a software. Is there
>software that is obligated to be installed?
>
>>     3. Nonfree online shopping platforms, mainly used by my family,
>>        because that's the only way people get food.
>
>Who is obligating you to use it? If it is "online" does that mean it
>is website with non-free Javascript?
>
>>     1. I see social issues like this an important extension of the ideas
>>        of the movement---our goal is not free software, it's a free
>>        society, while free software is indeed one of the first steps
>>        (paraphrasing RMS);
>
>Free society is not same as Libreplanet. I don't think it is good to
>discuss what "free" means for this or that party, as we are global, we
>are people from various places. What may mean "free society" for one
>person may be occupation for other.
>
>>     2. Sorry, I'm just a bit raged at the policy, and thinking it's
>>        freedom related I kinda need somewhere for it to go (not a good
>>        reason, bruh);
>
>Libreplanet is not generally freedom related, it is about free
>software and freedom in computing. If we discuss topics that are
>generally freedom related we deviate into a lot of politics and the
>tendency may disperse people on this mailing list who are otherwise
>interested in free software, and not general freedom topics.
>
>We better keep it on topic related to free software.
>
>>     3. The lockdowns here depict authoritarianism and DISRESPECT for
>>        individuality,
>
>Sure.
>
>> it's kind-of like how people are forced to use Zoom and WhatsApp and
>> GitHub because everyone is on it (also why federated and distributed
>> things like GNUnet are cool).
>
>There is no direct connection between lockdowns and proprietary
>software.
>
>If you think you are forced, then complain to those who force you, and
>please if possible provide references that I give you suggestion how
>to complain.
>
>For example if organization is forcing you to use Zoom, then I would
>like to ask organization if they would, due to force, also provide
>all the hardware for the software. I would give them reasons why it is
>not good, such as privacy abuses, backdoors, proprietary software, etc.
>
>> Either way, I do believe a -misc list makes sense.
>
>And I don't, as FSF has free software as purpose, and not general
>politics as purpose.
>
>You are free to make your own mailing list. But using people on
>Libreplanet mailing list for whatever other politics is somehow not
>quite fair.
>
>I don't mind if FSF makes such decisions, I am stating my opinion. FSF
>is non-profit and has specific purposes that must fit into the law,
>into the IRS tax-free status and social benefits.
>
>Every person is free to pay few dollars and make a mailing list that
>is not related to free software.
>
>> Free Software is our first step to a free society,
>
>I don't know what you mean with "free society". Can you define it?
>
>Jean
>
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