Re: why Kieren is a \relative evangelist [was “Re: Nested transposition"]

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On 17/03/2021 08:23, Michael Gerdau wrote:
> I don't have any of the show stopper Kieren is so evangelistic about and very clearly find 
> \relative easier to enter via a normal keyboard by a long shot. Entering all those "'" 
> (requires SHIFT on a german keyboard) and "," is not at all fluent.

Well, I'm a "hunt-n-peck" one-fingered pianist, so I guess I'd find 
using a midi keyboard MUCH harder than a computer one (as a guitarist, I 
found that was great for improving my typing skills :-)

imho the near universality of keyboard competence defines Western Music 
as "can be played on a piano" and has severely damaged our understanding 
of what music actually is. Musicians like me who can't play piano are 
very rare ...

And why would a copyist be able to play keyboard?
> I also find reading \relative much easier but that my be depending on what 
> you're used to.
likewise

> I seldom use transpose and I know of no case where I have nested transpose. 
> With unnested transpose I have not yet had a problem. And frescobaldi does very 
> easily transform from \relative to \absolute, should I ever need it.

Well, as a trombonist who plays in both brass and concert bands (and 
used to play in an orchestra), I use transpose all the time, and never 
had any trouble.
> Therefor my conclusion is:
> Kieren surely has good reason to prefer \absolute, but deriving that \relative 
> is inferior and should be avoided is overdoing it IMO.

Agreed. Okay, my instrument wouldn't use much by way of octave 
modifiers, but I'd hate to be writing a piccolo trumpet part ...

Cheers,
Wol