Re: [linuxiran] farsi linux site

[Behdad Esfahbod]

Abbas,

So, now that you have wrote these lines, let me tell everyone 
what happened between me and Arian.  The whole story is that I 
liked him as an active member, and I was in a good relationship 
with Arash Z., even after the flame war between him and Roozbeh.  
All in a sudden, in a reply to my brother's (Behnam) request to a 
Mozilla team member regarding Persian translation, Arian started 
telling him that well, behnam is brother of behdad, where behdad 
is friend of roozbeh, where roozbeh is enemy of arash, where 
arash is the coordinator of Persian KDE translation, so as 
roozbeh wanted to get arash replaced, then behnam wants me to be 
replaced too, so he, and his brother, and his brother's friend, 
and the whole sharif university guys are dangerous ones, so 
please deny his request...!!!  Which in response, in defense of 
my insane brother, I used the mentioned words to arian.  Thats 
it.

About Farsi vs. Persian, anyone familiar with national and 
international standards, and culture and literature, knows that 
it should be called Persian, otherwise YOU ARE INVENTING A WORD.


On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Abbas Izad wrote:

> 
> Ok, many thing has come up that I didn't know about!
> It was so SAD to read through the whole history.
> This bring up THE questions once more, why we iranian can NOT cooperate with 
> each other!!!
> Why do we mess things up for ourselves? Why are we so "khaleh zanak"? Why 
> are we so "NICE" when we are in contact with foreigners and so RUDE to each 
> other? I don't want (and hate) to politicies the issue here but answers to 
> these questions will help us to learn how to behave when we work in teams 
> and in general.
> 
> Any why, I think Arash Z. is doing a good job as a coordinator for farsiKDE 
> and Arash B. with his work in linuxiran, not to forget Aryan A. for his part 
> in both projects. Keep up the good work! (I wanted to use an english 
> expression here "tums up" but I recall that it could be interpretted 
> differently amoung persians)
> 
> Regards
> Abbas
> 
> If knowlege is a tree then sharing it is the fruit of that tree!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Aryan Ameri <address@hidden>
> >Reply-To: GNU/Linux in Iran <address@hidden>
> >To: GNU/Linux in Iran <address@hidden>
> >Subject: Re: [linuxiran] farsi linux site
> >Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:11:51 +0300
> >
> >On Tuesday 24 June 2003 20:14, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> > > Mr Roozbeh Pournader from the FarsiWeb project at Sharif
> > > University of Technology has provided his word list and around
> > > 3000 translated messages of kde-base to Mr Arash Zeini long time
> > > ago, which Arash Zeini has wrote that he has used around 25% of
> > > the messages.
> >
> >Well I need to clear this. So that new users on this list are not
> >confused.
> >
> >Mr. Pournader translated kdelibs (not kdebase) and kdelibs contained
> >3,000 strings. Instead of sending that file to Arash Zeini, (Which was
> >the coordinator of FarsiKDE project) he sent them to KDE release dude
> >(Thomas I guess) and asked KDE to replace Arash Zeini, and put his name
> >as the coordinator of FarsiKDE. He also demanded the language name to
> >be changed to Persian. Note that Mr. Pournader never sent his messages
> >to Arash. Arash simply got those messages, when Thomas Forwarded
> >Mr.Pournader's email to Arash.
> >
> >KDE guys rejected Mr. Pournader's request. He later shut down our
> >mailing list, which were hosted at Sharif University's servers. For
> >more information, take a look at this email
> >http://lists.sharif.edu/pipermail/farsikde/2002-August/000413.html
> >or the whole mailing list archive, which is still available.
> >
> >And I have to say, that if you take a deeper look at that archive, you
> >can see how hard I tried to unite the project, and heal the wounds. I
> >invited Mr.Pournader and Arash to have a meeting at my place (they
> >refused to go to each other's offices). Roozbeh rejected my offer.
> >
> >So, even if some of Roozbeh Pournader's translation, (which were not
> >meant for our use) were somehow initialy used in our translation, I can
> >assert everyone, that they were all re-translated, to match our
> >translation database, and to make a consistent translations.
> >
> > > BTW, RedHat 9 has GNOME translations from Roozbeh Pournader too.
> >
> >Oh, does that mean that instead of giving his translations to Gnome
> >Mr.Pournader has given them straight to RedHat? So that now RedHat has
> >got an advantage over other distros in this regard?
> >
> >Or are you reffering to that *one thousand* strings of Gnome which have
> >been translated? And RedHat suddenly came up with the idea of adding a
> >language to their Gnome, which Gnome it self doesn't support?
> >
> >PS: I have always regarded you Behdad, as a highly competent hacker, and
> >I will always be thankful to you, for your work on Qt, TeX, and other
> >free software projects. However, I never underestood when you decided
> >to become my enemy. I never knew why you suddenly changed your mind
> >about me.
> >
> >I still remember my first post to the old LinuxIran mailing list, and
> >the phone call which I had with you afterwards, and the meetings which
> >I had with you, and I truly enjoyed your hacking abilities. However,
> >those days are long gone. You have publicly humilated me twice.
> >Remember how you and your brother Behnam, got the Persian Mozilla
> >Project out of my hands? Remember everything that you told me, (
> >nane-jende and mother fucker among other things) in front of the
> >mozilla community? And remember a couple of months ago, when you again
> >flamed me in this mailing list, for a disagreement over RedHat?
> >
> >Just what happened to Persian Mozilla? What did you do with it after you
> >got it from me? After you made me, the coordinator of the project,
> >leave the project which I cared about? Did you or behnam ever spend a
> >minute a minute of your time on it?
> >
> >Just when and why you decided to piss me off, at every possible moment?
> >
> >
> >--
> >/* "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a
> >conservative without changing a single idea."
> >                     --Robert Anton Wilson*/
> >Aryan Ameri
> >
> >
> >
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Behdad Esfahbod         4 Tir 1382, 2003 Jun 25 
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